tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post8716379809372016868..comments2023-11-05T09:37:36.840+01:00Comments on A View From Rural Wales: Revisiting Old haunts.Glyn Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10442114752573417252noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-17912794882893011922010-02-13T20:11:18.600+01:002010-02-13T20:11:18.600+01:00Seion - I'm not particularly bothered about th...Seion - I'm not particularly bothered about this issue, but I have to answer when asked. I prefer FPTP; you prefer AV. That's OK. <br /><br />I accept that the weakness of FPTP is that the overall result can be unproportional. And I'm told by people who have a facination with this subject the AV can produce an overall resuly even more unproportional. There are those who calculate that it would produce a permanant left-of-centre majority. There are forms of PR that do produce a proportional result, but they involve giving much more control to party machines. Reason I 'accept' the Additional Member System is that it retains the link twixt politician and voter in most cases, delivers a largely proportional result, and is a system already in use in Wales. But its no big deal to me.<br /><br />And I'm very familiar with the 'open primary' system of selection. Not only do I enthusiastically agree with it, but I was selected by this system in Montgomeryshire in 2007.Glyn Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17344589217554138315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-34403358149306279122010-02-13T17:17:42.187+01:002010-02-13T17:17:42.187+01:00So Glyn you say that you are wary of change. I’m n...So Glyn you say that you are wary of change. I’m not sure what you mean by that. Does that mean that you think that most things are fine the way they are? <br /><br />The problem with FTPT is that is undemocratic. Governments tend to be formed that only reflect the support of the minority of the electorate. This cannot be good. I think that this is one of reasons why there is such apathy about politics. I would think that to ensure that a government has the support of a majority of the electorate should be priority number one.<br /><br />You say “why on earth would I support a system which has been shown to be even more 'unproportional'”. What does that mean? That doesn’t make sense, when under AV an MP would command the support of a majority of the electors in the constituency.<br /><br />The electoral system has needed changing for a long time. Clearly when there were only two political parties there would have been no problem. However when there are multi-party elections the situation is very different.<br /><br />You say that the “Additional Member System used in Assembly elections … has the benefit of being understood by the electorate.” People may have accepted it, but I think very few people understand it. How many people have any idea that number of extra seats that a political party gains, is calculated by using a formula thought up by an academic,d'Hondt, least of all knowing the basis for it.<br /><br />Changing the electoral system from the unfair FPTP should be a first step in reinvigorating politics. And as Douglas Carswell and Daniel Hannan have argued in their excellent book, “The Plan”, we also need open primaries.Seionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03074824633567737822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-49162816507202818132010-02-12T20:13:52.483+01:002010-02-12T20:13:52.483+01:00Are the Welsh Conservatives coming up with a Get W...Are the Welsh Conservatives coming up with a Get Wales Back to Work Plan? <br /><br />Doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight. <br /><br />Wales needs a Party in Power that is pro-jobs at its core - not just talking up the walk, but walking the walk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-55853923435864104072010-02-12T20:03:43.986+01:002010-02-12T20:03:43.986+01:00The longer it is kept quiet, the more harm it will...The longer it is kept quiet, the more harm it will do to the party come election day.<br />Mark my words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-60113591083521143502010-02-12T13:31:11.682+01:002010-02-12T13:31:11.682+01:00Seion - I tend to be wary of change, and would not...Seion - I tend to be wary of change, and would not want to move from FPTP unless to something better. I recognise that the weakness of FPTP does not reflect the national percentage vote very accurately. So why on earth would I support a system which has been shown to be even more 'unproportional'. There are systems of PR which do offer a more proportionate result, and one of those is the Additional Mmeber System used in Assembly elections - which also has the benefit of being understood by the electorate. But on balance I prefer to stick with FPTP.<br /><br />Anon - She told me lots of stuff, some of which is interesting to only me, and some of which I may tell you about sometime.Glyn Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17344589217554138315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-45510091941606100992010-02-12T10:53:03.079+01:002010-02-12T10:53:03.079+01:00What did Edna have to say about the goings on??What did Edna have to say about the goings on??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-42692365011603948432010-02-11T22:16:48.868+01:002010-02-11T22:16:48.868+01:00Glyn, I was surprised to hear you say on CF99 that...Glyn, I was surprised to hear you say on CF99 that FPTP was better than the alternative vote. Perhaps you would like to explain why.<br /><br />Under the Alternative Vote (AV) , the winning candidate will represent a particular constituency. I think that this is important. On the other hand the present Assembly voting system results in two kinds of AM. <br /><br />Under FPTP the majority of MP’s in Westminster have been elected by the majority of the electorate in their constituency. The concern is that the rest of the MP’s were elected by receiving only a minority of the votes cast. Surely it’s better that they can claim the support of the majority of the voters in their constituency.<br /><br />AV is not a form of proportional representation. PR is something different, leading to political parties making decisions about who will form a government. It is better that the people make the decision at the ballot box.Seionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03074824633567737822noreply@blogger.com