tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post535216315839566909..comments2023-11-05T09:37:36.840+01:00Comments on A View From Rural Wales: A most unusual dinner.Glyn Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10442114752573417252noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-57387642630037256242014-02-15T18:35:45.446+01:002014-02-15T18:35:45.446+01:00Well don't invite Saunders Lewis and De Valera...Well don't invite Saunders Lewis and De Valera - Lewis was a fan of De Valera until he met him, and after that, he was decidedly more unimpressed by De Valera the person!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-16348359039247582242008-06-12T11:37:00.000+01:002008-06-12T11:37:00.000+01:00'An opinion not based on fact' , I used to be a m...'An opinion not based on fact' , <BR/><BR/>I used to be a member until quite recently and you can deny that cultural elitism still exists all you want, i still have friends in Plaid Cymru and attitudes haven't changed to non welsh speakers, economic migrants or the large number of people who come here to retire, however you dress it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-91144070164967842522008-06-12T01:42:00.000+01:002008-06-12T01:42:00.000+01:00So are most Plaid Cymru membersAn opinion not base...<I>So are most Plaid Cymru members</I><BR/><BR/>An opinion not based on fact<BR/><BR/><I>can't see any Plaid Cymru members inviting any Conservative or Unionist to their meal.</I><BR/><BR/>Have you asked any? <BR/><BR/>Thought not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-26138023499419822112008-06-11T13:07:00.000+01:002008-06-11T13:07:00.000+01:00'Saunders Lewis was a cultural elitist'So are most...'Saunders Lewis was a cultural elitist'<BR/><BR/>So are most Plaid Cymru members, Plaid Cymru has always been a cultural nationalist party, this is one of the reasons why Plaid Cymru has trouble attracting votes in certain areas of Wales.<BR/><BR/>At least Glyn is able to get over petty politics and is looking to learn about 'the other side, can't see any Plaid Cymru members inviting any Conservative or Unionist to their meal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-60655036221657511162008-06-11T07:57:00.000+01:002008-06-11T07:57:00.000+01:00Sanddef - you tell me. I've not read much of his w...<I>Sanddef - you tell me. I've not read much of his work, and I referreed only to what I imagine he was about. I think of him as a man who associated his desire to protect the Welsh Language and Welsh identity by using violence. Tell me who might be a more appropriate advocate of the violence that became associated with 'Welshness' a few decades ago.</I><BR/><BR/>Saunders Lewis was a cultural elitist, with little if any interest in constitutional change. He wanted everyone in Wales to speak Welsh whether they liked it or not, but he wasn't an advocate for violence. There's a whole world of difference between setting fire to a shed and shooting people!<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://this-is-sparta.blogspot.com/2008/05/shadow-of-saunders-lewis.html" REL="nofollow">Ive blogged about Lewis</A>.<BR/><BR/>If it's a Welsh advocate of violence you're looking for, then you'd be better off sending that dinner invite to John Bernard Jenkins of Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru, or to the founder of that organisation, Owain Williams, the current leader of Llais Gwynedd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-47465893742134436652008-06-11T00:20:00.000+01:002008-06-11T00:20:00.000+01:00anon - I thought a dinner of less than perfect peo...anon - I thought a dinner of less than perfect people would be more interesting. Churchill could easily have finished up as a discredited failure, and it looked a bit like that in th early 1920's - but turning things around after the despair of 1940 was a truly epic and stellar performance.<BR/> The one angel would have been enough.Glyn Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17344589217554138315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-43029431328120421582008-06-10T23:25:00.000+01:002008-06-10T23:25:00.000+01:00churchill.....make sure you ask him how he managed...churchill.....make sure you ask him how he managed to turn around a shambles of a career - the Gallioli disaster in WW1 was his doing, and arguably Dieppe in WW2, and lest we forget his treatment of welsh miners at Tonypandy glyn.<BR/>Second World War unfortunately saved and made his reputation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-21446831213296018392008-06-10T23:17:00.000+01:002008-06-10T23:17:00.000+01:00Sanddef - you tell me. I've not read much of his w...Sanddef - you tell me. I've not read much of his work, and I referreed only to what I imagine he was about. I think of him as a man who associated his desire to protect the Welsh Language and Welsh identity by using violence. Tell me who might be a more appropriate advocate of the violence that became associated with 'Welshness' a few decades ago.<BR/><BR/>alan - I agrre that both of the Irishmen would be better, but I wanted a Welsh flavour to the dinner. And I conceded in my post that Gandhi would have been the best non-violence guest - but I'm a longstanding admirer of Aung San Suu Kyi.<BR/><BR/>anon - Of course Nelson and Wellington were wonderful heroes, but I wanted there to be disagreement, and they were rather of the same ilk as hurchill. And since I was doing the programme on Radio Cymru, in Welsh, it seemed reasonable to invite at least half of my guests from the Welsh political scene.Glyn Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17344589217554138315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-49068047147567092582008-06-10T22:12:00.000+01:002008-06-10T22:12:00.000+01:00Sounds a bloody boring dinner, full of traitors an...Sounds a bloody boring dinner, full of traitors and nationalists - except for Aung San Suu Kyi. What about Churchill, Nelson and Wellington? Too British for you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-38734499916984506662008-06-10T17:38:00.000+01:002008-06-10T17:38:00.000+01:00You could always add Eamonn de Valera or Michael C...You could always add Eamonn de Valera or Michael Collins to your dinner party to elicit their views.<BR/>Then, Mahatma Ghandi might have plenty to add to the conversation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-51068863397581304992008-06-10T15:41:00.000+01:002008-06-10T15:41:00.000+01:00Oops. I meant 'were'Oops. I meant 'were'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-76022536390873111472008-06-10T15:40:00.000+01:002008-06-10T15:40:00.000+01:00I would like to discuss with him whether he thinks...<I>I would like to discuss with him whether he thinks that violence, and the threat thereof was a help or a hindrance to his basic objectives.</I><BR/><BR/>Do you actually have any idea what his 'objectives' where?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com