tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post4080940626471549325..comments2023-11-05T09:37:36.840+01:00Comments on A View From Rural Wales: A debate for the anoraks.Glyn Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10442114752573417252noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-41996338154227450412009-03-16T21:26:00.000+01:002009-03-16T21:26:00.000+01:00Anon - Woops there goes another rubber tree plant....Anon - Woops there goes another rubber tree plant.Glyn Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17344589217554138315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-70505044088030985312009-03-16T06:37:00.000+01:002009-03-16T06:37:00.000+01:00Well with DLTs support the war is won! Just needs ...Well with DLTs support the war is won! Just needs him to turn up at the Lords at some point..i understand that there is more chance of that great bird the little tern being seen on the banks of old father thames than the great man of merioneth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-2152772493371827872009-03-16T00:30:00.000+01:002009-03-16T00:30:00.000+01:00Stonemason - As I've said I do not disagree with t...Stonemason - As I've said I do not disagree with the principle of Lord Livesey's action. I also concede that it may indeed be right.<BR/><BR/>Peter - I did indeed hear Dafydd Els important contribution on the Politics Show today. I think it is worth a seperate post tomorrow, if I have time. I will be very interested to know what Ieuan Wyn Jones thinks as well. Must admit that my views on this are not yet set in concrete.Glyn Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17344589217554138315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-73651784756681305862009-03-15T23:57:00.000+01:002009-03-15T23:57:00.000+01:00I take it that you heard Dafydd Elis-Thomas's supp...I take it that you heard Dafydd Elis-Thomas's support for Richard Livsey's position on the Politics Show today, Glyn?Peter Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16370260756872929021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-90437191355896764252009-03-15T19:00:00.000+01:002009-03-15T19:00:00.000+01:00Does it really matter how long it takes to generat...Does it really matter how long it takes to generate a piece of legislation, better to take 10 years and have good legislation rather than rush headlong into bad legislation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05037177825712467778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-72820528311082412772009-03-15T11:03:00.000+01:002009-03-15T11:03:00.000+01:00WR - You do seem to be obsessed by Conservatives....WR - You do seem to be obsessed by Conservatives. What we have is a proposal first put forward by a Plaid Deputy Mnister, approved by a Plaid/Labour Coalition Government, attracting concern from a Labour dominated Welsh Affairs Committee, and finally subject to a 'veto' by a Labour Secretary of State (over an aspect of housing that there was no intention to include in a measure anyway) - and all you want to do is talk about the Conservatives!!<BR/><BR/>Draig - Perhaps I'm being unduly suspicious, but my immediate reaction when the proposal to include abolition of right-to-buy in a housing LCO was that it would completely undermine the development of trust that is needed between Westminster and Cardiff Bay if this complex process is to succeed - a suspicion much strengthened by the pre-pared comments that were being made by Plaid politicians at the time. I immediately suggested that it was intended to demonstrate that the current process is unworkable. I, too have been surprised that Plaid have made no more than token support for a referendum - preferring to let the whole thing drift. I have no idea why they have been so afraid of standing up to be counted in any meaningful way.<BR/><BR/>Daitwp - I accept that the AMs were entirely within their rights to put forward a proposal that the power to abolosh 'right-to-buy' should be transferred to the National Assembly. It was just tactically stupid. It was predictable that Westminster politicians would be discomforted by this. I fully accept that 'boundaries' should be tested, but it would have been so much better over the Welsh Language LCO, which personally I think the public will see as rightly a power for the Assembly.<BR/><BR/>I agree with Richard Livesey, in principle, but he has (at the very least) delayed the transfer of power over housing. He will also have entrenched attitudes about the process which will not help the development of effective system of processing LCOs.<BR/><BR/>What I'm questioning is not the principle of Lord Livesey's action, but whether is will prove to be helpful. I wonder what Plaid Ministers think of it.Glyn Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17344589217554138315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-14609133657353172872009-03-15T01:55:00.000+01:002009-03-15T01:55:00.000+01:00"What intersts me is whether the Lib Dems have jus..."What intersts me is whether the Lib Dems have just made a bad situation worse."<BR/><BR/>Surely all Lord Livesy has done if flag up something he believes is put side the remit of the Wales act 2006. Whether you agree with abolishing the right to by or not - it was totally within the 2006 act to request the power to do so and if the WAG wasn'r so weak they would never have agreed to this new precedent where the Secetary of State get to veto certain policies. You say yourself that this is another complication to an already drawn out process. Thus any move to prevent this from happenening should be welcomed. Whereas from what you seem to be saying, you seem to be happier just brushing the whole thing under the carpet. <BR/>Maybe the WAG should have sent LCOs which were'nt at all controversial to begin with but it is within the 2006 act to request any power which lies within the 20 devolved fields and they were always going to push the boundries. You can say it's not politically sound (or clever) to do so but ultimatly they have the right to request those powers whther you like it or not. <BR/>It seems it has come down to the Lords to actually stand up for the rights of the Assembly according to the 2006 act, even thought the WAG is too weak to do so. I don't think you should be questioning that!DaiTwphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03662576122363515901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-19638414874057033622009-03-14T23:48:00.000+01:002009-03-14T23:48:00.000+01:00Sounds a little conspiratorial to me Glyn. If Plai...Sounds a little conspiratorial to me Glyn. If Plaid are actively trying to engineer some kind of case for lawmaking powers why are they not standing up and making a more active case for them now? <BR/><BR/> Plaid could really run rings around Labour on this issue if they were clever about it, but with the exception of Bethan Jenkins I don't see anyone else in the Assembly Plaid group taking a strong stand on this issue...Draighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01816626923689138393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-78469864987575086572009-03-14T21:17:00.000+01:002009-03-14T21:17:00.000+01:00Good attempt to hide the Tory divisions on this is...Good attempt to hide the Tory divisions on this issue Glyn.<BR/><BR/>The reality is that this subject is impossible for the Tories, and you in particular, to cope with.<BR/><BR/>By choosing to oppose this LCO at both the Assembly and Westminster you've shown your true colours. You would put your belief in the privatisation of the housing stock ahead of strengthening Welsh democracy.<BR/><BR/>You claim to be pro-devolutionist Glyn, yet you opposed this bid for powers. You can't be a half-devolutionist. This constitutional tussle has proved one thing: the Tories are fundamentally the same anti-devolution party they always have been.Welsh Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17585109264200933570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-64812153864724761242009-03-14T20:38:00.000+01:002009-03-14T20:38:00.000+01:00Anon - I do try hard to generate interest in this ...Anon - I do try hard to generate interest in this issue - because its for real. Its the way we are governed. I don't like it, but its a fact. Hope you noticed that I didn't mention Legislative Competence Order once. People tell me the words actually mean 'scroll down immediately'. I do suspect that Plaid thought that by creating a public dispute would assist a Yes vote in a referendum. I completely disagree with this view. Combined with the pubic promotion of independence again last week, I expect support for full law making powers to fall.<BR/><BR/>There has been a lot of coverage this week of predictions by Electoral Calculus. They may be completely right, but they do not take any account of local factors. It would take a swing of around 12% for the Conservatives to win Montg - and less than half that to win B and R.<BR/><BR/>Stonemason - They were certainly lost when this LCO was proposed. Too late now. What intersts me is whether the Lib Dems have just made a bad situation worse.Glyn Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17344589217554138315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-54592235641547935092009-03-14T19:58:00.000+01:002009-03-14T19:58:00.000+01:00I am afraid your words of wisdom will be lost on t...I am afraid your words of wisdom will be lost on the current incumbents of Cardiff Bay.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05037177825712467778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34112832.post-56980621049086594152009-03-14T19:56:00.000+01:002009-03-14T19:56:00.000+01:00Can't wait for Jeff Jones comment on this one - wi...Can't wait for Jeff Jones comment on this one - with the Libs running Bridgend Council again being very much on the cards again.<BR/><BR/>You try very hard Glyn to get us interested in this silly system which is a great way of getting a YES vote that evening Plaid types can campaign for.<BR/><BR/>I saw the old Western Mail again in our local Nantyffyllon news agent - saying that the Tories and Plaid are to make big gains in Wales - any views Glyn?<BR/><BR/>The prediction is a Brecon and Radnor Tory win but a Lib hold in your area!! some mistake I thinkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com